Lesson Plan
The lesson plan for The Trucking Game episode includes group discussion questions about the challenges faced by formerly incarcerated individuals when starting a business, how John got started in the trucking industry, what inspired him to start his own trucking company, how he overcame challenges as a formerly incarcerated individual in the trucking industry, and what can be learned from his story about resilience and perseverance in the face of adversity.
Objective:
To learn about the experiences of formerly incarcerated entrepreneurs and how they navigated the trucking industry.
Group Discussion Questions:
What challenges do formerly incarcerated individuals face when trying to start a business?
How did John Collam get started in the trucking industry?
What inspired John to start his own trucking company?
How did John overcome the challenges he faced as a formerly incarcerated individual in the trucking industry?
What can we learn from John's story about resilience and perseverance in the face of adversity?
Introduction
The podcast episode is titled "THE TRUCKING GAME" and features an interview with John Collum, a formerly incarcerated entrepreneur who started his own trucking company called Bar None Trucking. In the episode, John shares his experiences navigating the trucking industry and overcoming the challenges he faced as a formerly incarcerated individual.
Feature Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-KKGO8tYt8
Disclaimer: This transcript was generated by an AI and may not be entirely accurate or free from errors.
Transcripts
(00:13)
Escaping the Odds podcast is a movement of freedom in the physical and financial sense. We highlight people who bounce back from prison by switching hustles and a mindset. It see, business has always been a part of my DNA.
(00:29)
I just went about it the wrong way, would send me to federal prison for nine years. I'm bringing out dope stories of triumph that's meant to inspire and educate, to take you to the next level. And no matter where we come from or come from under, we can set ourselves free and escape the odds.
(00:48)
What's up, y'all? Thank you all for tuning in to Escaping the Odds. I'm your host, Aaron Smith. We got some dope stories for you all today. Formerly incarcerated men and women who are now entrepreneurs.
(00:58)
Let's get it. Thank you for tuning in to another dope episode of Escaping the Oz podcast. I got my main man here with me, John Collam. Spent a little bit of time incarcerated, as you know. We highlight the formerly incarcerated who are now successful entrepreneurs from the West Side of Chicago and go get his story, you know what I'm saying?
(01:30)
He has several trucks on the road right now, and he owns a company called Bar None Trucking. And so we'll get into his backstory. Also the ins and outs of the industry trucking and get straight to it.
(01:42)
What's up, bro? How are you doing, bro? How are you feeling? Absolutely. Thanks for coming on, man. I had a chance to really get to know the guy. Really sharp dude. Really sharp guy. He knows this industry, man.
(01:55)
Got it out the mud, you know what I'm saying? For real? For real. It's. We want to get into that, man, kind of get into your backstory. So let the audience know where you from and kind of like how you came into the industry, okay?
(02:09)
I come from out west. I'm from off the west side of Chicago. Been all around here. Been running the street since I've been. About twelve years old. Okay? You know what I'm saying? I've been getting a troll since I've been, you know, we you know, I.
(02:30)
Went to jail when I was like 17 years old. Went to jail. I got in a lot of trouble. I went to jail. I sat in jail for two and a half years, okay? Sat in jail two and a half years. While I sat there. I didn't have no training.
(02:49)
Like I said, I grew up. Like, I grew up. We didn't have no male figures or nobody really look up to. So we looked up to the older. Guys who was out there on the block, right? So we sold drugs, we did all that.
(03:01)
We gang bang, we did everything. So I got hit upside the head first time around, get hit upside the head. And I sat there and I was like, one of the youngest people in the joint. Crazy, because it was like, man, I like people that know that I like people who got common sense, okay?
(03:24)
So I used to rotate with the older men when they're penitentiary and telling me their stories and like, man, like, I've been here nine times. I've been in a joint nine times. I'm like, what, you like coming here?
(03:39)
You know, like, I had met this white guy, his name was Field, and he used to tell me, like, man, have me down. Send me down every day. Like, man, this is what you need to be doing. You need to be doing truck.
(03:52)
I'm like, man, I ain't got to do no fuck. The fuck. After. Well, I started going to he had a little truck because he had a CDL, so he had a little truck in class. Every day we'd be on the deck, and he'd sit there and help us out, go through everything.
(04:06)
So I get out of jail or whatever, I get out of jail. And the main thing is, when you get out of jail, we got to check our ego and our pride, you know what I'm saying? A lot of that I didn't check, okay?
(04:22)
So I knew better, but I still was halfway in, halfway out. Got you. So I was trying to do different thing, but I was still reverting back to the stuff that I knew, which is true. But you went back to the same environment, too, though.
(04:37)
So you're dealing with that, too. So it's like follow your friends selling drugs, eventually you're going to start selling drugs again. And I told you I remember one day, right, I got a job interview, and the people liked me so much, they gave me the job right down the spot, okay?
(04:58)
I ain't had no driver's license, no ID, no Social Security card or nothing. So they couldn't offer me the job because they couldn't scam my driver's license and stuff down. So I went through that, and like I said, I dealt with that, and I started getting back in the streets.
(05:15)
Heavy kids, you know. I started back selling dope. Went back selling dope. First day I get down was selling dope. I get locked up again. How long you been out? I've been out now probably about I'm saying how long you out that first time?
(05:31)
90 days? Yes, 90 days. You know, like I said, when you know better, you do better. So I went through that process of, you know what I'm saying, like six months. I was locked up six months that time I was locked up six months, but I wind up beating the case.
(05:49)
Okay? Now what do you mind talking about that? Yeah, well, like I said, I was selling drugs, but. They can't charge you with no drug offense if you ain't got no drug, okay? As soon as they came and swooped in, I was done, okay?
(06:02)
You can't charge me for having money, okay? You know what I'm saying? So that had a lot of money on me, but it's like, well, no drugs to be found. Okay? Got you your first case, though. You beat a serious case.
(06:12)
Yeah, I had a murder. I had a felony first degree murder. I had that. I had an aggravated UW tim, all that. So it was multiple situations, or it went down. Okay. Yeah, it went down. So I went through all that, man.
(06:32)
The crazy part, I didn't know how much trouble I was in. And you know what? I'm glad you said that, man, because I was talking to a guy, actually, one of my colleagues I work with my guy, he works at the county, right?
(06:43)
Right. He see people come through bond court, and he's been in the system too, and he's like, they get those charges read off to him, and they only need to realize what they didn't got themselves into.
(06:55)
Like, you facing a first degree murder 90 years, 100%. Right. It's like it really don't hit them. Yeah. And so I'm I'm glad you said that, because a lot of times, these young guys and young people out here getting high, before you know it, you locked up someone, you wake up, you like, man, how do I get myself in that situation?
(07:13)
So let's talk about that, okay? So like I said, we was out here. We was in the mix. We young gang bang. I don't really know what this I know, but I don't know. You know what I'm saying? You don't know until you know.
(07:29)
Yeah. Until it hits you. Right. So I kid you not. Right? I remember I went to court one time. Yeah. And I talk out of turn, raise my hands to the judge. I say, yeah, I'm only 17. Give me some leniency.
(07:43)
Right? Judge took off his glass. He said, look, you was only 17. You shooting them guns out there. Wow. So when he did that. It told me that, told me myself, like, I never make no decision. I never do nothing if I don't want to do it, you know what I'm saying?
(08:01)
Anything I'm going to do, I'm going to make the last call on anything I do. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So you go through all that, man, you seeing people getting stabbed. I'm seeing people. Like, I seen the guy cop out.
(08:14)
For 33 years just because he didn't want to be in that environment. No, he sat there for he was in that fight. They weren't going off that. That was the best they could do. Wow. They gave him 33 years.
(08:24)
He actually took it, the 33 years. Right. And you see guys, man, they young guys like potential, man. A lot of potential. And they go through that. You threw it all away for a split second decision. You see what I'm saying?
(08:41)
Or your ego or your pride. You can't go go work nowhere for back then, we get like $7 an hour, some shit like that. It was messed up. So we seeing all that. I think, all that, man. I told myself, like, bro, I'm not never coming back here, never in life.
(09:03)
Because it messed my mind up when I think the guy gets stabbed now. So it's like, on that note, I'm like, bro, when I get out, I'm going to do something different. But I didn't know what to do. Okay.
(09:17)
You know what I'm saying? So I was like, I'm just around here. Like, everybody that know me know I didn't work 1000 jobs, you know what I'm saying? No lie. I was like I say I had nobody look up to so I couldn't go get that information from nobody.
(09:30)
Like to steal you to go do something or go try to do this or go you should go try to. Do that what you did. How did a guy feel that was in the jail? Yeah, you kind of give you a little bit of knowledge on Trucking.
(09:40)
Yes. Okay. So it kind of planted the seed for you. That's all it planted to see because I didn't even think about Trucking again until I was out for probably about another four years. Oh, wow. Yeah, no lie.
(09:50)
So let's talk about that. So. What made you think about that and actually take the next steps to be like, you know what? I'm going to start, first off, get my CDLs, and then I'm going to start this trucking company becomes successful, okay?
(10:02)
So like I said, I don't work 1000 jobs out here. I didn't work there in warehouse. I was the guy downtown with the sign on my back passing out flies, telling motherfuckers they need to come in here. And one thing I always tell my people, don't ever quit no job.
(10:21)
I always get fired. It's just like it's something that, look, don't ever quit no job. So I dealt with that and I kept saying I'm like, Damn, man. What? Fuck, I keep getting fired, man. It'd be some of the pettiest shit.
(10:36)
Like you getting into it with a discrepancy with a boss or supervisor or you getting late or anything. You know what I'm saying? So I was thinking around like, what can I do that's going to pay me how I want to get paid or how I feel like I should get paid, right?
(10:50)
You know what I'm saying? That will still accept me with a felony without a lot of training, you know what I'm saying? So field popped up again in my head, okay? So I went to a congressman. I ain't going to say no name, but I went to a congressman and tried to get the information.
(11:08)
And I kid you not like the congressman telling me straight up, he's like, man, they called somebody from one of these big time companies, got the guy on the phone or whatever. And the guy was like, oh, yeah, he can't get no CDL.
(11:21)
He got a felony. No lie. Yeah. So like I said, it messed me up. Like, I let it defeat me. I was in swap, man. The Kid you not one of my drivers that work for me right now. We swapped together. We didn't come to find we sat there.
(11:37)
I tell you, I got crazy like that. We sat next to each other, and I'm chopping up with him or whatever. And he's telling me, he's telling me he got his CDL. You got your CDL? You get your CDL, bro, you got a felony.
(11:56)
I'm on probation right now. I got a CDL. Wow. So I'm like, yeah. So he get to tell me he kind of pointed me in the right direction, like, well, you need to go half the industry, Felons. You know what I'm saying?
(12:09)
So it's like he kept it a buck with me, and it really just taught me, like, you know what I'm saying? I got out here, and I did the research. Exactly. Sometimes all the time, you got to investigate it for yourself.
(12:26)
There you go. Like I said, that's why when I hear something, I'm going to look it up. She told me I'm always looking up. Exactly. So I did the research, and I'm starting the schools. I'm calling around at the schools, and they telling me the prices, and it's like, okay, cool.
(12:44)
I found the school, man. I found the school. That was, like, $2,000. Okay, cool. I kid you not, man. I took my last $2,000. It was so funny because I was in Swap, they impounded my car, took my car and everything.
(12:59)
So it's like, you got this last $2,000. Go get this car. You can go get this car. I'll get this license, or you can go get this license. Our kids. I'm in truck driving school, man. I took the money, and I did what I supposed to did.
(13:11)
I took the money. I went to truck driving school. Yeah, now, listen, I'm catching a bus. That's why I measure through safer. I love people over there. Like, they gave me bus, car, shit like that. But it's like they can only do so much, too.
(13:23)
So with the truck driving school, like I said, you can actually go to school and go to work and go to school, but to knock it on out, it out the way. Just go and go knock the shit out in two months. Like, go full time, right?
(13:36)
So I did that, and I kid you not. I remember one day, man, I have a dollar in my pocket. I didn't have shit. I couldn't call nobody nothing. So I walked from Motherfucking. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I walked from Van Buren and Lambie all the way to 47 to Lamb to the school.
(13:56)
Let's put that in context. That's about 5 miles. No. Van Buren and lamb. Yeah. On the west side, right. All the way to 47 to Lambie out south. Okay. And you can't go all the way. You can't go all the way.
(14:11)
You got to go all the way. That took me about two and a half hours. Okay. This is my ipod. We had no more. We had ipods. Had ipod. I'm trucking it. Yeah, I get that super late. My teeth like, John, why are you here?
(14:27)
So I like, Bro, I just walked up here, bro. Yeah, man. Appreciate this man's. Day named Lou. Lou. Look, bro, I'm going to give you that money. I'm going to give you bus for every day, bro. That man gave me $10 a day.
(14:41)
Get back and forth, back and forth, school to work. I kid you not. Let that man to the day. That man gave me that money. Like I said, when I got out of truck drive school, so I passed the truck driver school.
(14:52)
Now, when I go over the road, I went over the road, and I got my first check. I brought I brought him, gave me his money back, right. Thing to do, you know what I'm saying? So I go over the road. It's called like in Chicago, we call it paying your dues.
(15:09)
You got to pay your dues out here, you know what I'm saying? So I pretty much wanted to pay my dues, so I did that for about eight months. I went all around the fucking country with this shit, you know what I'm saying?
(15:21)
Getting that experience, though. Yeah, you get an experience because it's a point in time where it's like and I kid you not, like and I see this with a lot of my new drivers and stuff that come fresh out of school, they'd be scared of the truck, you know what I'm saying?
(15:35)
So they'd be scared. They think the truck moat bigger than what it really is. So I kid you not. Like, we call again your cherry buzz. I got my cherry popped the first night. I went through some mountains, and it was at night, and it was raining.
(15:48)
Okay? And I had a crazy trainer, man, john Loomis. To this day, crazy white boy, like from down south, Alabama. That man was a nut. Like, man, you impede traffic drive. So I'm crying. I'm crying. You had to become one.
(16:03)
Yeah, you got to suck it up. My kids not peed on myself, man. Like, no lie. Because we're going down the mountain 70 miles. Mac like driving. He crazy like that. You're crazy motherfucker, man. I kid you not.
(16:22)
So we get down the mountain. I say in game daytime, because I say, I started at night. Like came daytime, we do our break or whatever, and I go to the truck stop. I wash up all that stuff. He's like, yeah, see, you're good now.
(16:36)
You know what I'm saying? You're going to be good, you know what I'm saying? And the main thing is we got to get comfortable with it, you know what I'm saying? I still didn't feel comfortable with the truck tilly until like a year out, you know what I'm saying?
(16:48)
A year doing. So I came back home. I came back home and I started dealing with like I say, my buddy, his cousin, my buddy, he got a cousin. He had some trucks. Now, we had this company or whatever, but it was like some janky, promoters ass trucking company.
(17:06)
We at work and he'd be spending. Our check the whole weekend. The weekend comes, we're looking for our check. Yeah, let me holler you all. Let me sit you all down for a minute. Ain't going to be no check, man, right now, man.
(17:25)
So that's something for people to look out for, signing on operators. So you got to look at that type of stuff and look at the type of work you're doing. So we was doing crosstown. So this is what we're going to dive into, right?
(17:41)
So, like, we was doing Crosstowns. What's cross town crosstowns is because you got over the road stuff region. Let me break it down to you. Crosstown is you don't go nowhere out of chicago. So you might go from one rail yard to the next rail yard, okay?
(17:57)
We are the number one hub as far as anything in the United States it touches chicago touch. Chicago is going to go down south, going to go to the east coast or it's going to go to the west coast, right?
(18:09)
So it's a lot of people, they cornered the market on it. So they cornered the market on it and they got crosstown work, right? So I'm learning the game or whatever. I'm learning the game and I kid you not.
(18:30)
Like a blessing happened to me, man. I saved my money up, man. I had got hit by a truck, okay? Jacob motorsheet left me out there one night. I didn't spent out way out in jolly somewhere. That's all I learned about jollyte.
(18:44)
Don't chevrolet streets. I get hit by a truck. I get hit by a truck. He didn't let me out there 8 hours. He didn't send the regular tow truck to come told me he didn't send the regular tow truck to come to my semi truck with a tow truck, right?
(19:02)
That's not going to happen. Guy come, he beat it up. I get hit or whatever, and I go through the process. So I go through the process. I get some money. I come to some money. So I'm like, man, I'm about to invest in myself, right?
(19:16)
So I did that. I invested myself and I bought my first truck. Now, like I said, now the guy obviously upset with me because I got him up out the way. You know what I'm saying? I'm dealing with the guy that the italian guy myself now, okay?
(19:32)
Exactly. Okay. Before we get to that part, right, I kind of want to go into for the people that may not know some of the steps to take far as, like the paperwork, okay? Like getting your own authority, different likes of place and things like that that you may have to have to get to even begin to get the.
(19:48)
Role. Okay, so with that right, first things first. Go LLC yourself. LLC yourself. LLC yourself or incorporate yourself. You do that because you protect yourself from liability. That's what I'm about to get into that story, too.
(20:08)
What happened now, I didn't know none of this, like I said. And I'm asking guys, and I'm like 24 years old, and I'm asking guys like, hey, man, they ain't telling me really nothing because they feel like I'm a competition.
(20:25)
You 24, you got your own truck. Like, man, you know what I'm saying? What I need to do, I'm overspending for gas. Overspending? Gas. Gas is the money that show money every week. So at the end of the week, you always need to know that your gas tank need to be empty at the end of the week.
(20:46)
Every week, your gas tank better be empty, because when I first started, I lost $20,000 the first year. Wow. Yeah. And that's just because it was overspending on gas. Okay, I'm looking. Okay. Gas is $2.0.50, right?
(21:05)
Yeah. So how do you overspend? Were you going to the wrong gas station? How did that okay, I'm going to break it down for you. Now, you got a work week. Your work week might start on Monday and the end on Sunday.
(21:20)
Okay. Now, mind you, all right? Now, me, I probably got, like, a half tank, and I'm like, you know, I started doing regional with these people. Okay. So I started doing regional. So I got probably like a half tank.
(21:35)
So I got a half a tank. And I would go I work, I'd be filling up. I fill up again. And, like, probably Tuesday. I fill up again Tuesday. I thought I use that all up. I fill up again Tuesday, then Thursday.
(21:52)
That's your critical day. So it'd be Thursday, Friday. Now, you know you're not going to. Do none over the weekend. So it's like, okay, I know I'm. Not about to do none over the weekend. Why am I filling up, putting an extra 700, $600 in my tank that could be in my pocket?
(22:09)
Okay? You know what I'm saying? So you you're filling up, but you're not using them. You're not using it. Don't get me wrong. You use that at the beginning of the week. But it's like you always behind the buck pretty much as far as your expenses and everything.
(22:24)
Because a lot of the truck industry, they always think you can get rich. You can't get rich, but you can be well off, you know what I'm saying? It's all about the products as far as the services you sell without causing yourself as much overhead as possible, you know what I'm saying?
(22:43)
So that's what I was doing that I started doing that, and I tell guys, you go get an LLC. You know what I'm saying? Go get you, like, a corporate card or even a credit card with rewards from your bank or something like that.
(23:02)
So it's all little tricks and trade that you can do to get the. You can get the most bang for your buck, okay? So when I say, like, you can get yourself incorporated. Because I got sued after my first year.
(23:19)
I got sued because it was some shit that I didn't even really have knowledge about because I'm fresh in the game and nobody telling not. So I was with this big company, and I'm with this big company, like I said, another thing about them big companies, too.
(23:37)
You got to watch out for them. But I'm about to get into that. So I was with this big company. And they had drop yards all over the city. So one thing when you're dealing with containers I was dealing with containers in a motor.
(23:52)
Intermodal is, like, one of the cheapest paying truck driving jobs in America, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot of it and successful, but it's the cheapest truck drive. It's the cheapest industry as far as truck drive.
(24:09)
Okay, so, you know, I didn't know that. Like like rail yards and and, you know, they customers. They got free days. So a free day is when you take the take the load out the rail yard. You got probably about a day or two to bring it back.
(24:28)
So me, I got so good at like I said, I always try to study everything. So I think I thought I got kind of good as far as, like, I'm not gonna go out there until I get a load coming from out there. So I'm gonna go drop this over here in Harvard, you know, I'm gonna go drop this on 43rd, the city, and then when it's time for me to get a load from out of Jollyte, instead of driving that 60 miles out there, I'm going to wait till I get the load, then I'm going to return in.
(24:55)
Okay. So in between time, it's sitting over. There, man, I got stuff out for months. Wow. And how much is it charging a day? 150 a day. 200 a day. Reef is going to charge you 500 a day. Wow. So I'm not knowing none of this.
(25:12)
I'm just I had lolly gagging on, you know, like I said, like and this year, like I said, I had got it. I had gap. Like I said, I always ask questions. I ain't never too proud to ask no question with nobody.
(25:22)
So I found I asked some guys, like, they was my age, you know what I'm saying? So they wouldn't really know they had their own trucks, too, right. How much they end up suing you for? Like $12,000. Okay.
(25:36)
Pretty much. So how did the company protect you? The LLC would have protected you in that situation. Okay, so the LLC going to protect you because you could file bankruptcy and just. And go start a new one.
(25:46)
(16:36)
You know what I'm saying? You're going to be good, you know what I'm saying? And the main thing is we got to get comfortable with it, you know what I'm saying? I still didn't feel comfortable with the truck tilly until like a year out, you know what I'm saying?
(16:48)
A year doing. So I came back home. I came back home and I started dealing with like I say, my buddy, his cousin, my buddy, he got a cousin. He had some trucks. Now, we had this company or whatever, but it was like some janky, promoters ass trucking company.
(17:06)
We at work and he'd be spending. Our check the whole weekend. The weekend comes, we're looking for our check. Yeah, let me holler you all. Let me sit you all down for a minute. Ain't going to be no check, man, right now, man.
(17:25)
So that's something for people to look out for, signing on operators. So you got to look at that type of stuff and look at the type of work you're doing. So we was doing crosstown. So this is what we're going to dive into, right?
(17:41)
So, like, we was doing Crosstowns. What's cross town crosstowns is because you got over the road stuff region. Let me break it down to you. Crosstown is you don't go nowhere out of chicago. So you might go from one rail yard to the next rail yard, okay?
(17:57)
We are the number one hub as far as anything in the United States it touches chicago touch. Chicago is going to go down south, going to go to the east coast or it's going to go to the west coast, right?
(18:09)
So it's a lot of people, they cornered the market on it. So they cornered the market on it and they got crosstown work, right? So I'm learning the game or whatever. I'm learning the game and I kid you not.
(18:30)
Like a blessing happened to me, man. I saved my money up, man. I had got hit by a truck, okay? Jacob motorsheet left me out there one night. I didn't spent out way out in jolly somewhere. That's all I learned about jollyte.
(18:44)
Don't chevrolet streets. I get hit by a truck. I get hit by a truck. He didn't let me out there 8 hours. He didn't send the regular tow truck to come told me he didn't send the regular tow truck to come to my semi truck with a tow truck, right?
(19:02)
That's not going to happen. Guy come, he beat it up. I get hit or whatever, and I go through the process. So I go through the process. I get some money. I come to some money. So I'm like, man, I'm about to invest in myself, right?
(19:16)
So I did that. I invested myself and I bought my first truck. Now, like I said, now the guy obviously upset with me because I got him up out the way. You know what I'm saying? I'm dealing with the guy that the italian guy myself now, okay?
(19:32)
Exactly. Okay. Before we get to that part, right, I kind of want to go into for the people that may not know some of the steps to take far as, like the paperwork, okay? Like getting your own authority, different likes of place and things like that that you may have to have to get to even begin to get the.
(19:48)
Role. Okay, so with that right, first things first. Go LLC yourself. LLC yourself. LLC yourself or incorporate yourself. You do that because you protect yourself from liability. That's what I'm about to get into that story, too.
(20:08)
What happened now, I didn't know none of this, like I said. And I'm asking guys, and I'm like 24 years old, and I'm asking guys like, hey, man, they ain't telling me really nothing because they feel like I'm a competition.
(20:25)
You 24, you got your own truck. Like, man, you know what I'm saying? What I need to do, I'm overspending for gas. Overspending? Gas. Gas is the money that show money every week. So at the end of the week, you always need to know that your gas tank need to be empty at the end of the week.
(20:46)
Every week, your gas tank better be empty, because when I first started, I lost $20,000 the first year. Wow. Yeah. And that's just because it was overspending on gas. Okay, I'm looking. Okay. Gas is $2.0.50, right?
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Yeah. So how do you overspend? Were you going to the wrong gas station? How did that okay, I'm going to break it down for you. Now, you got a work week. Your work week might start on Monday and the end on Sunday.
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Okay. Now, mind you, all right? Now, me, I probably got, like, a half tank, and I'm like, you know, I started doing regional with these people. Okay. So I started doing regional. So I got probably like a half tank.
(21:35)
So I got a half a tank. And I would go I work, I'd be filling up. I fill up again. And, like, probably Tuesday. I fill up again Tuesday. I thought I use that all up. I fill up again Tuesday, then Thursday.
(21:52)
That's your critical day. So it'd be Thursday, Friday. Now, you know you're not going to. Do none over the weekend. So it's like, okay, I know I'm. Not about to do none over the weekend. Why am I filling up, putting an extra 700, $600 in my tank that could be in my pocket?
(22:09)
Okay? You know what I'm saying? So you you're filling up, but you're not using them. You're not using it. Don't get me wrong. You use that at the beginning of the week. But it's like you always behind the buck pretty much as far as your expenses and everything.
(22:24)
Because a lot of the truck industry, they always think you can get rich. You can't get rich, but you can be well off, you know what I'm saying? It's all about the products as far as the services you sell without causing yourself as much overhead as possible, you know what I'm saying?
(22:43)
So that's what I was doing that I started doing that, and I tell guys, you go get an LLC. You know what I'm saying? Go get you, like, a corporate card or even a credit card with rewards from your bank or something like that.
(23:02)
So it's all little tricks and trade that you can do to get the. You can get the most bang for your buck, okay? So when I say, like, you can get yourself incorporated. Because I got sued after my first year.
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I got sued because it was some shit that I didn't even really have knowledge about because I'm fresh in the game and nobody telling not. So I was with this big company, and I'm with this big company, like I said, another thing about them big companies, too.
(23:37)
You got to watch out for them. But I'm about to get into that. So I was with this big company. And they had drop yards all over the city. So one thing when you're dealing with containers I was dealing with containers in a motor.
(23:52)
Intermodal is, like, one of the cheapest paying truck driving jobs in America, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot of it and successful, but it's the cheapest truck drive. It's the cheapest industry as far as truck drive.
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Okay, so, you know, I didn't know that. Like like rail yards and and, you know, they customers. They got free days. So a free day is when you take the take the load out the rail yard. You got probably about a day or two to bring it back.
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So me, I got so good at like I said, I always try to study everything. So I think I thought I got kind of good as far as, like, I'm not gonna go out there until I get a load coming from out there. So I'm gonna go drop this over here in Harvard, you know, I'm gonna go drop this on 43rd, the city, and then when it's time for me to get a load from out of Jollyte, instead of driving that 60 miles out there, I'm going to wait till I get the load, then I'm going to return in.
(24:55)
Okay. So in between time, it's sitting over. There, man, I got stuff out for months. Wow. And how much is it charging a day? 150 a day. 200 a day. Reef is going to charge you 500 a day. Wow. So I'm not knowing none of this.
(25:12)
I'm just I had lolly gagging on, you know, like I said, like and this year, like I said, I had got it. I had gap. Like I said, I always ask questions. I ain't never too proud to ask no question with nobody.
(25:22)
So I found I asked some guys, like, they was my age, you know what I'm saying? So they wouldn't really know they had their own trucks, too, right. How much they end up suing you for? Like $12,000. Okay.
(25:36)
Pretty much. So how did the company protect you? The LLC would have protected you in that situation. Okay, so the LLC going to protect you because you could file bankruptcy and just. And go start a new one.
(25:46)
Okay. And you ain't going to be liable for the 12,000. Got you. But I call it. I ain't going to say it, but it's the dumb stuff that I do from time to time. I got you. Absolutely the dumb stuff. Basically being irresponsible.
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Yeah, pretty much. You know what I'm saying? So I went to court, told the judge, like, man, I'm not paying them. I didn't know. They not trying to hit that, not at all. Right, so they subpoenaed the bank statement, they subpoenaed bank accounts.
(26:23)
They can go get their money right from out of there. So now you start, you got this money taken out, your account basically start from scratch. Now check it out. That ain't when everything started hitting me at the same time.
(26:36)
Okay, so on top of this, like I said, another thing too, as far as trucks, pretty much, I bought a truck that was high risk right out the gate and didn't know no better. Let's talk about that. Okay. Let's talk about the high risk, like that truck that you purchased.
(26:56)
Okay. So I bought a truck with high mileage already. Okay. So it has 700, 800,000 miles on it already. After a million miles, that joint, it's at that point where it's ready to go anyway. So my engine went out.
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Okay, that's a $12,000 bill. Wow. Yeah. So how does a person prepare themselves for something like that? Like, are you coming in the game? You don't are briefly. What are some of the things I can look for?
(27:30)
Okay. This is a good truck to buy. Should I lease that vehicle or should I purchase it outright? Okay, so with me now, you should start stay away from them lots, them truck lots. That's the first thing because they banned it from somebody who didn't bought it from somebody.
(27:46)
It had three owners already before it didn't touch you, you know what I'm saying? So don't go there. So go directly. Try to deal with a manufacturer, okay. You know what I'm saying? Or like a company, like, I deal with a company rider, you know what I'm saying?
(28:00)
So they get the truck sent to them from the manufacturer, okay. They deal with them, and then after. Almost directly as possible to the source as possible. Okay, got you. Because it's gonna, it's actually got it's probably about the same thing, okay.
(28:14)
You know what I'm saying? It's about the same thing. But a lot of them truck lots, they got a lot of they got the buy here, pay hill, you know what I'm saying? They got the buy head pay predatory. There you go.
(28:29)
Just like anything else. We can put you in there. Don't worry about that. Your notes will be $5,000 a month, which you're going to be riding. Yeah, I got you. You deal with that. And it's like, I dealt with that.
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And like I said, I ain't know no better. Yeah. So you got to understand, like I said, you got to say your money, too. Say your money. Whatever you do in life, save your money. Pay yourself a little bit.
(28:53)
Pay your company, too. Pay your company first, then you pay yourself. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I like that. Because what about speaking of paying out, right? What about putting a little bit to the side for maintenance?
(29:03)
Because you mentioned a $12,000 engine, right? That's your bread and butter. You need to keep those wheels turning. So what would you say as far as the percentage wise? And now we'll get into the money, right, a percentage wise of how much I should be putting aside maybe weekly from my settlement.
(29:19)
Okay. So I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to go half. Wow. Yeah. So you go have that way you can protect yourself, you know what I'm saying? Because with me, you just never know what's going to happen, okay.
(29:34)
And it's always some stuff that's going to happen. I just got hit with a $5,000 deal, you know what I'm saying? It was so funny because my driver, like, I told him about, like, man, look. Just going to bring it over there.
(29:46)
He's like, look, because he know we work for his cousin. Exactly. We work with his cousin. It'd be like, we get a bill, we get a repair on the truck. We ain't getting paid. Exactly. You all ain't getting paid for two.
(29:58)
Weeks so far as on the pay wise. Right. Okay. Now, I got it where I'm giving. Up pretty much half towards maintenance just in case anything happens. It's not necessarily just maintenance. Okay. That's half towards, like, your your license plates, okay.
(30:11)
Dump things. Like, it depends on what place you get. Like, you can get a Z plate. That thing like three, $4,000. Now the Z plate, what is that briefly? Z plate? You only have authority to drive in Illinois.
(30:22)
Okay. Now, with Z place because we got a broad audience here. Okay. So is this for any state as well? Yeah, mainly your secretary of state is mainly for dump trucks and stuff like that. Local work. You ain't going away.
(30:37)
Exactly. Or you got the appropriate place or whatever. Now, appropriate place, what those do, they give you the authority to operate all throughout the United States. Okay. But what they do in that how they check on that is because you get this thing called IFTA, okay.
(30:52)
IFTA is a gas tax. So you have to keep up with all your expenses, your repairs, your gas. In every state you go to to get gas, you got to keep up with that because guess what you got to do every quarter, you got to pay taxes on that gas.
(31:09)
Wow. So you learn and all that. I didn't know none of this. I'm fresh out of the street with all these expenses. Right? Yeah. What kind of numbers are you looking at when you pick up a low route? Because I know in some situations over.
(31:24)
The road, that's kind of like my. Experience working at a brokerage firm, they pretty much paying by the mile. Right. Now, in some cases, when you're doing cross town, they may be paying you by the load, they may be paying you by the hour.
(31:37)
Right. So can we kind of get into that briefly, learning how to. Differentiate and saying, okay, this is probably the best way to get paid or not. So me as an owner operator, you need no less than about $90 an hour to stay afloat.
(31:57)
Okay. You know what I'm saying? It's all simple math. So even though I don't get $90 an hour, I'm going to it I'm going to go by how long it's going to take me to do it. That's your baseline? Yes. Okay.
(32:14)
So it's like, okay with that. I know how long it's going to take us to do something. If they want me to take a move, they want me to take a chassis from 79th all the way to Bethel Park, CSX. Beth park.
(32:30)
It's a 20 minutes drive. Got you. 20 minutes drive. But it's a 20 minutes drive, but it's going to probably take me about 30 minutes to do okay. So it's going to take me 30 minutes to do a round trip.
(32:43)
Is going to take me about 40 minutes. Okay. So now that's where you come back at, because you got to always think about your way there and your way back. Got you. That's how you got to do it. Okay. They can dress it up saying that they can get you a load back.
(32:55)
Don't ever go you got to always cover yourself for your way there and way back. Okay. Got you. You know what I'm saying? So make sure that you're getting your proper compensation. Yeah. As far as the money, I get paid by what I do, so I get paid by it.
(33:13)
We call it by the move. Okay. So we get paid by the move. Bring out the hustling person. Yeah, because I don't want to be capped. My earning potential never want to be kept. Okay. So whatever I do, I'm going to go do.
(33:28)
How many trucks you got? I got four. Okay. All right, cool. So with that, as far as dealing with that, bro, you know what I'm saying? How I dress mine up is. Crosstown, you don't go nowhere. So guess what?
(33:47)
I'm not even going to make you even work and bust your ass like that. I'm going to make you do your twelve. I got another driver that's going to go do they 12 hours off one truck. Exactly. Truck going to run 24 hours out of the day.
(33:58)
Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? That's the name of the game. Yeah. So you make money in your sleep, right? So this way it comes in. So if I'm doing that, I could pay guys by the hour. Like, some guys I do pay by the hour.
(34:12)
Some guys I pay by the move. Yeah. But I encourage by the move because I don't want to cap, because I'm a cap you. And I'm going to actually have somebody that's going to be on you and calling you all the time.
(34:22)
Well, yeah, what you doing? What you're doing? Because people, they like to steal time. You notice already, you know what I'm saying? So as far as dealing with that, man, I say I did the deal like this.
(34:39)
Took me three weeks to do the deal, and I tell them I want mine 24, 7365 days after, you know what I'm saying? Because we going to work whenever. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because like I said, I tell my drivers, give me five days I've been on them, kind of make me give me six days, you know what I'm saying?
(34:56)
So we can get better, you know what I'm saying? Let me ask this, right? As far as with insurance, yeah, that's very important. Very important, right. That's one of the top line kind of expenses, right?
(35:09)
Really focus on so with insurance, what are some of the things to look for? What is too high? What are some of the things maybe the insurance company is looking for? Especially for a new owner? Operator coming on.
(35:22)
Give me the game on that. Okay. So with the insurance companies, this is how they get a lot of people out. They face, they make you pay a big old down payment. See what I'm saying? Yeah. So they make you pay a down payment would be like, well, we just going to charge you like $12,000 for the year.
(35:41)
They charge $12,000. But guess what they going to do? You got to put six of that down. Yeah. Then the razzer ride. The rest of the year you're going to pay, you know what I'm saying? You pay the rest of them, right?
(35:53)
Cool. Then what I tell a lot of guys always be insured up. So you got your bob tail insurance, physical demo insurance. You got your cargo insurance, okay. And you also got your occupational insurance, okay.
(36:07)
And in case, like, who knows, you fall out the truck one day, you break your leg, man. Ain't nobody going to pay your bill if their truck ain't moving you ain't nobody going to pay your bill. Yeah. So you need to have that type of protection.
(36:21)
I stress that to my driver, too. You got to have that type of protection. Definitely in the state of Illinois, because they make owners, fleet owners, they make them make their drivers had occupation insurance.
(36:32)
You know what I'm saying? So we deal with that, man. And that's the main thing, man, because it turns situation, like put a company out of business. Yeah, it definitely put you out of business because like I said, I just had a guy hit one of my trucks, man.
(36:49)
And it was so crazy because it was just parked and it was like I guess it was an Uber driver or something like that. They had progressive progressive been calling me. They called me and like, look, just take the pictures up.
(37:02)
We don't see your check. But it'd be like you want that type of thing. Because I had another driver, he is some late, and she fell out like semi truck. They see money. Exactly. Let me ask you this. With the situation you have right now, that's Crosstown, you have a contract.
(37:18)
You say it took you three weeks to get this particular deal. You got contracts, right? Yeah. With the actual direct customer. And that's the best way to do. Right. I work at a broker. A lot of people call in at a broker, they find low.
(37:29)
That's probably the next best situation with them. But then you got the load board where people kind of everybody's on low board. Everybody's scrambling to get on low board. I've heard the term they call them bottle feeders.
(37:42)
Okay. Um, finding a customer or finding a broker. What what are some of the things you you're looking at to be able to make sure that you you're you're partnering and working with the the right kind of person that's going to get you load or some people lease on with a company that's an owner operator, right?
(37:57)
Yeah. So there's several different ways to kind of actually get loads and keep your wheels turning, but tell the audience a little bit, like how to basically make sure that you're partnering up with the right company that's going to keep the money coming to your pocket and not beat you out.
(38:11)
Okay. So look, you guys got to understand, when you guys lease known to these companies, this with any company, they touch your money before you touch your money. But some people say, okay, well, because they're taking some of the risk, they're paying for the insurance, right.
(38:29)
Well, at least the bulk of it, right? You paying for that with some companies, right. Main thing they doing, I'm not going to lie to you, is the office work. And that's like, okay. They deal with the customer as far as, like, emails, the administrative I kid you not.
(38:54)
Yeah. I hate back office. Yeah. Because it's tedious and it's a lot of time. I'm with you on that, bro. I ain't with it either. You got to watch how you talk to people. And it'd be like but everybody know me personally now, so the cousin, they like, bro, they know, you know what I'm saying?
(39:11)
So I'd be like I could just call somebody on the phone and be like, man, what you all doing over there? This is going on. John okay, so that's one of the benefits of maybe leasing on with an organization or whatever.
(39:26)
Or what about maybe dealing with brokers and stuff like that? What's your feelings about that? Man, I got broker, friend. I do business with them all the time. Okay? I got a buddy, man. You're a broker, man.
(39:40)
We get money together, you know what I'm saying? Like. You know, you, you know, like don't get me wrong. Like only thing he risking is his name. As far as me, if I don't do the work or my bad on his brain.
(39:52)
It's bad on his brain, exactly. But other than that, he take his percentage, but he don't try to hit me. Upside hit. Got you. Right. Okay. Glad you mentioned percentage. Okay. Because with brokers, some brokers, they may get load for 1500 and of course the name of the game is to pay the driver, the truck company less as possible.
(40:15)
They keep the spread. You know what I mean? So how does a newcomer kind of negotiate that stuff to make sure that they're getting paid properly when they work it with a broker? I always tell people, always average out at least $90 an hour, no matter.
(40:30)
What I'm talking about. Now, even when I know $90 an hour, that may work if you go on local no, even with over the road. So how I should do it? Right. You got to always see your time there, how long it's going to take you to go there and how long it'll take you to go back.
(40:47)
Time is money. Never ever. That's the most valuable thing is your time. Yeah. So now like, okay, I have a load going to Detroit. Yeah, I got a load going to Detroit. It's going to take me about three and a half hour, 4 hours.
(41:00)
Get out there. Got you. All right, check it out. They're going to give me $1,000 for that load. Okay. They say it's $1,000 or whatever. Yeah. Okay, cool. They're going to give me $1,000 load. Just when you lease on the companies.
(41:11)
Or whatever, that's like $3 on the mile. Because Detroit was like 300 miles. I don't even look at the miles because I'm looking at the time. Okay. That's how I break that's how you do it. Okay. Simple.
(41:23)
Always try to get as, less headaches as possible. Yeah, I got you. So I break it down, it's only three and a half hours like that. So roughly this is going to take me around, I would say about 7 hours.
(41:34)
Okay. Because I work in the industry, this is what I see. Yeah, right. You got to load. It takes you 5 hours to get there. Yeah. You still sitting, trying to unload for maybe 5 hours, 6 hours, 8 hours, 10 hours.
(41:50)
Now, see, nobody going to pay you for sitting. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. What about when you're calculating that situation using the hourly base, but yet then, because time is money, you sit for 89 hours.
(42:05)
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. See, now that that okay. That's what they had this thing, it's called detention. So out of 2 hours, you're supposed to get detention. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You negotiate your price on detention.
(42:17)
Got you. You know what I'm saying? Like I told you, it's all how you going to negotiate, right? You know what I'm saying? Because like you just said the name of the game, pay you less as possible. Yeah.
(42:25)
So when I used to be with these companies, like, I just with this last company probably about a year ago, and they told me they used to be getting mad at me because everything's for negotiation. And they want you to shut up and just drive, bro, I don't fucking work for you, man.
(42:46)
We going there now. We don't get what he wants, we're going to let him. Because I'm going to ask questions, right? So you're dealing with customers, especially like spots. You start going to the same type of spots, so you know how long it's going to take you.
(43:01)
And you know what state rules and regulations got you. Because dealing with reefs, you can go there. You be 30 refrigerator. Yeah. Refrigerated units. So you're dealing with them, right. You can go to a customer, like they real strict as far as reefs, because they have a time, they're real strict.
(43:20)
So they only want you to open they only want you open the trailer with the food. Exactly. So you that 30 minutes late. You gonna sit by 6 hours. Yeah. Reschedule. Yeah. Yeah. So and then you got to pay them on top of them, on top of you sitting at that time, you still got to pay them.
(43:38)
Okay. So talk to me about as an owner operator. What should I be expecting for my truck to be made? What's the baseline? And say, okay, at the end of the year, after twelve months, my truck should be generating this gross revenue.
(43:51)
Okay. So you should growth every year around like 100 and 6150. Okay. And you do that? I did it. So it's like you you go from there. The whole thing is. 160. Yeah. So every day you want to at least make $800 to $1,000.
(44:24)
Okay. Well, anything can happen. Like how you anything can happen though. So it's like one day it might be a big old bliss because I hadn't been out there and be like, you can't see nothing in front of where you just got to pull over.
(44:35)
Exactly. Or you got to spend a night somewhere, or you didn't deal with stuff like you got a breakdown, you got a tire breakdown, anything. Truck breakdown, anything. You know what I'm saying? So you try to every day you want to get out here, at least make your bare minimum $800 to survive.
(44:50)
Exactly. You know what I'm saying? To thrive, you need to be making 1000 to one $200 a day. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Which is possible. But it's like we got so many. Different variables, stuff like that.
(45:02)
Yes, it's a lot of things working. But when you do make that kind of money right. That you should always be investing in yourself, right. So how important is that for your company? Okay, so with me, right, I learned all these game, the tax game.
(45:21)
Uncle Sam, that's the biggest gangster in America, for real. So it's like they can't tax you on no money that you don't get. And what I mean by that is you don't take no money and go buy no garbage like no gucci, you're going to mess off your money.
(45:38)
There you go. You go take your money and you go buy other stuff. So like me, I'm going to go buy more trucks, or I'm going to go take that money and I'm going to go get a $40,000 tow truck, you know what I'm saying?
(45:49)
And it's like NAB becomes an expense instead of it becoming earn income is an expense, right? You put that return earnings back into the company. There you go. So then that's when you try to come with your passive income, you know what I'm saying?
(46:09)
What I'm trying to do, I'm trying to get big, man, where I got enough trucks, where I'd be like, all right, cool. You want to be your own boss? Look, I'm going to give you a truck. Just give me $500 a week exactly, no matter what.
(46:21)
I don't know what you got going on exactly. You got to fix it all that, you know what I'm saying? Just give me my $500 every week. There you go. And guess what? That's passive income, right? Because no matter what, basically you're becoming the financier.
(46:35)
You're becoming like the leasing company and whatever, and then you're making that $2,000 a month no matter what. $2,000 a month tax money. I ain't got to worry about it. This money right now, if you have to worry about it.
(46:47)
But when you worry about it, that's the best feeling. Basically, you renting out your asset. Yes. Just like you rent out a piece. Of property or whatever, you same thing. But you rent out the yeah, absolutely, bro.
(46:59)
That was really a lot of great game, man, that you give it, man. What advice would you give anybody, man? Not even just coming home from incarceration, man, because you've been through it. I've been through it.
(47:10)
But it's anybody that want to switch hustles, they want to do something else, you know what I'm saying? Maybe they've been in a career for X amount of years. It's just not really fulfilling them, just really finding their passion.
(47:20)
It may be in trucking or it may be in something else. Like, what would you briefly say to them to make sure that they kind of get them words, encouragement. Okay, I'm going to tell anybody, learn the game no matter what.
(47:32)
Do your own research. Learn the game. You know what I'm saying? Know everything is now because. It's a lot that's going to work against you when you're trying to style something for yourself, you know what I'm saying?
(47:43)
And your main thing is if you know what you're doing and you know what you're talking about, you wouldn't have to go through all the head bumps that I had to bump my head a thousand times for me to understand what's going on, you know what I'm saying?
(47:55)
So it's like, man, learn the game, don't listen. Keep negative people away from keep negative people away from you. And like I said, I always had like minded people out here as far as riding with you, you know what I'm saying?
(48:13)
I didn't had a good support system. I've been blessed with that with a friend, a best friend. We've been friends, we've been eleven. Anything I do, he always with. It like whatever, you'll know, people your friend, but if they spending their own money or if they spend any time, they know they're not getting out the deal.
(48:31)
Let me ask you this. Give me your team, right? If I'm starting a trucking company, what are some of the people on the team that you would like to have to make sure that you run an efficient and effective trucking company?
(48:43)
Okay, man, look, efficient, effective trucking company. You got to get your accounts, payable people, okay? So you got to get people like I said, with the office work. Yeah, I got a guy I pay, he does my all mine.
(48:57)
Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Because that's a lot of tedious work as far as customs, you know what I'm saying? And then a lot of them, a lot of customers. It'd be taking me sometime too much to get my money back from the customer, you know what I'm saying?
(49:12)
For the work you did, account payable billing basically. Who else would you want? You know, like like I said, like dispatching. Like I would go there, you know, saying dispatching, but like, you know, like I don't know, like I like to be personable with my gas.
(49:33)
So you can explain to them a little bit better way because like a lot of different yeah, I say. Dispatch as far as dealing with the field that you're in. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? And also, like, safety, okay.
(49:46)
You know what I'm saying? Safety. You always need somebody to be cleaning up, you know what I'm saying? Make sure you on your P's and Q's as far as you in compliance with the federal, anything you do is that the regulation.
(49:59)
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So you make sure you do that. And also, them, like I said, somebody like you said, like a broker or somebody like that's, always going to be able to get you new business.
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There you go. You know what I'm saying? And you'll be all right. And also, look, we ain't going to forget about the most precious part of this whole company, the drops. Good drops. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
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So good people that want to come out here and self motivate us want. To come get some money, perfect. You know what I'm saying? Well, there. You heard it from Mr. John Collin himself. Barknown Trucking.
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Man came from nothing. Started with $2,000, right? Car broke down. He had to make a decision on whether, okay, what do I do? Do I go get my CDL license, or do I go fix this car and it keep me in the same place I was at?
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Spent a significant time incarcerated, been in the streets his whole life. Switch. Hustle is doing things differently now. So let us know where you could be reached, your contact information, all that, man.
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Look, you can follow me on Facebook, okay? John column. You can follow me on Instagram, john column real, okay? And my company bought non corporation Bodnon Trucking. I got another company. D and J torn.
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You want your cars towed anywhere in Chicago, we got a good deal for that, too. We could beat the price as far as Chicago. Absolutely. And other than that, man, like I said, man, if you want to get some money, man, you a hustler.
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Like, look, I'm open for business for any truck driver that want to get some money out here. Yeah, that's just that simple. I like that, man. One other thing I want to speak on briefly, man. You got a lot of knowledge, right?
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Yeah. And education is important in this truck industry, right? You said it earlier where you bumped your head. You did a lot of different things where if you knew better, you would have did better as it relates to this trucking company, right?
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Yeah. So something that we're working on together with Escaping the Odds. Is to actually. Come up with like a mentorship type program where. You'Ll be able to get the knowledge that he has and don't have to get your headbust, you know what I mean?
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Because he'll. Have all the information for you. So you all can stay on the lookout for that as well. Far as with me Escaping Oz podcast, IG Escaping Oz podcast, the website Escaping oz.com, and we got great resources for people that was formerly incarcerated or not.
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As far as housing, entrepreneurship, we all about unlocking freedom, do entrepreneurship. So make sure you all. Check that out as well. Got the merchandise switch hustles by Escaping the Odds, that could be found on the website as well.
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Really a lot of great. Things coming with the website. Just the brand as a whole. We really expand in 2021. And so, yeah, you all continue to watch us on YouTube wherever. And just continue to support.
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Myself and John Barnard Corporation unlocking Freedom opportunities over Penitentiaries. Thank you. Opportunity. Thanks.
