Lesson Plan
Group discussion questions are provided to facilitate a conversation around as well as the challenges faced by formerly incarcerated individuals and the importance of mentorship and support systems in turning lives around.
Objective
This episode will explore the experiences of an entrepreneur who is also a formerly incarcerated individual and how he is using his company, Second Chance Renovation, to rebuild not only properties but also lives.
Group Discussion Questions
- What challenges do formerly incarcerated individuals face when trying to reintegrate into society?
- How important is it to have a mentor or support system when trying to turn your life around?
- How can businesses and organizations better support and provide opportunities for formerly incarcerated individuals?
- In what ways can entrepreneurship provide a path to financial freedom for formerly incarcerated individuals?
- How do you think Second Chance Renovation is making a positive impact on its community?
Introduction
In this episode, the host interviews David Figueroa, the CEO and founder of Second Chance Renovation. Figueroa, a formerly incarcerated individual, discusses his journey from growing up in a rough neighborhood to serving time in prison to starting his own successful general contracting company that also helps others who have struggled with the criminal justice system.
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Transcripts
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Head of stories of men and women switching hustles and escaping the odds through entrepreneurship after prison. Not only will these stories inspire you, but also unlock business tips for financial freedom.
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Let's get it. Thank you all for tuning in to Escaping the Odds. I have a great guy here with me today, David Figueroa. He's the CEO, founder, president of Second Chance Renovation Patients out of Chicago, Illinois.
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He's not only rebuilding properties, but also rebuilding lives with his construction company, renovation Company. So thanks for having good for having you here, bro. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
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All right, no problem, man. So pretty much on this show, we basically highlight the formerly incarcerated, such as you and I, who are really making an impact within the community and doing entrepreneurial work or maybe a nonprofit.
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I know you got the second chance renovation. So before we get into that, though, I want to kind of talk about your experience with the criminal justice system. Kind of give us your backstory on pretty much how you got into the system, how you grew up.
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I knew you grew up in Humble Park, which is a rough part of right now, they're kind of changing that environment. But back in the day, as you and I know, humble park was a pretty rough area, so we can kind of talk about that whole experience of what was that like for you?
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And so I would say that even. Right now, humble park is still the fifth most violent neighborhood in Chicago. Wow. I didn't know that. Yes. Okay. Wow. So I was born and raised in Humble Park, and I ran away from home at the age of eleven years old.
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Okay. That was the first time I ran away and I was on the streets. My father was abusive and just didn't want to be there anymore. Right. So took to the streets, slept in hallways, stolen car. Ours did whatever we had to do.
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And pretty much that's why I started. My trips in and out of the justice system. So I got arrested at eleven my. First time in and out. You know, oddi home stints, you know, ten days, 15 days, whatever.
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But, you know, progressed, you know, as I got older, when I was 17, I mean, when I was when I was 14, I was caught shooting at someone. Okay. I was charged with attempted murder, and I was sentenced to 18 months in the juvenile system and got got out and wasn't out for two months and got caught shooting somebody as an adult.
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Oh, wow. And got census. I took seven years. There was no I was going to beat that charge. Right. And so that was my first then as an adult. Okay. All right. So when you first caught that case for that Temp murder case right.
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Also, something else happened while you were being arrested for that case. You were rained for something more serious than that. Right. That was actually my second charge as an adult. Okay. I was arrested originally for an armed violence.
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Okay. And then I was take us through that story. That's a pretty interesting story. Yeah. I was on a block and police rode upon us and they found a gun and some drugs inside of my car. And so they arrested me for armed violence, took me to the Cook County jail.
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And while I was going through the processing for that charge, I was rearrested and taken back to the police station and put in a lineup for murder and three attempts. Wow. And I was picked out of the lineup, and so they charged me with murder and three attempts and sent me back to the county jail with all of those charges.
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Right. And plus your armed violence. Plus your armed violence. So basically, you were looking at a natural life sentence. They offered me 59 years at 100%. Wow. How old were you then? I was 25 years old.
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Wow. So anytime, you know, sometimes the pressure is on you. You locked up, especially the county jail. Right. I think they design it so a person can potentially cop out for sure. And so was there any time during your stint where you like.
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59 years. It may sound crazy for some people to cop out to that, but if you're looking at something more serious, like a life sentence, someone may be like, okay, let me get that. It was never an option.
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Never option. Okay. Never an option. Cool. All right, so you're going through the system, right? You're going through the whole trial situation. The more I learned about my case and the more I saw all of the discrepancies and all of the things didn't add up in my heart, I knew that they had the wrong person.
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Exactly. I took a bench trial and I was found not guilty on all charges. Okay. Now, for our audience, some of them may not know what a bench trial is. I know you have an option of bench trial or jury trial.
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Correct. Explain to them kind of what a bench trial is, and also why you decide to take a bench versus a jury trial. For sure. So the jury trials, where you pick twelve of your peers to judge you and decide your fate.
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A bench trial is you choose to take a trial by the judge. And I chose to take a trial by the judge because I did see the pictures of the crime, and it was a pretty gruesome crime. And I know that as a person, we deal with emotions, and the judge himself, he would be impartial to those emotions, that he would strictly deal with the law.
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And I was looking for someone who was going to give me justice. Okay. And so eventually that's what happened, though. Yes, sir. Okay. Walk us through that whole experience. Man, you facing a lifetime in prison, and then you go on a trial and it's like, man, you don't know what's about to happen.
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I mean, you hope for the best, you know that you didn't do it. But at the same time, in people get convicted for things they didn't do all the time. That's nothing new. And so when you were found not guilty, walk me through those emotions.
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Yeah. Even though I knew in my heart that I didn't do this and I knew it, I felt it in my heart that I'll be found not guilty, I just. I just i, you know, my sisters were there, my father was there, and, you know, I just I just got emotional.
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I was crying, I broke down. Like, you know, it was all it was it was joyful, you know, it was joyful, but I was just grateful it was over, right? No doubt. So, okay, you got found out, gucci, but you also got some other charges hanging over here.
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You got the armed violence still, right. So how did that play out? So I ended up also catching a knife case and a weed possession case in the Cook County Jail throughout my stay there. So I ended up taking 14 years as a cop out for the armed violence and the time I was there, so I only ended up serving six months in the penitentiary.
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Okay, so was that after you got found not guilty or okay, so you're like, okay, I beat the bigger charge. Let me go ahead. And you already knew that you were already incarcerated for the six and a half years, so you knew they would give you time credit.
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Correct. Okay. So that was part of the deal. Like, okay, I'm already here, let me go ahead and cop out. Yeah, I knew I was guilty of the armed violence, so I didn't know how much time they were going to give me for it, but, yeah, they offered me 14 years and I did the math and I was like, I'll be home in six months.
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Exactly. Right. So it worked out. I started to count down. Right, all right, so you started to count down and now you out. Yes. Okay. You've been in and out of institutions from juvenile to county jail fighting murder cases and this and that.
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Right. This is your lifestyle. So what made you turn from that lifestyle? That's the only thing you knew. So what was that turning point? What did it start at the end of your bit after you had beat this murder case in these three attempts?
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Or was it something when you got out, you was like, man, I can't do this no more? So I'm a religious person, okay. And so even before my trial, I had a conversation with God, and I asked Him to bring me justice, and I promised Him that I would live my life to serve him.
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And so he did his part, and so now I have the rest of my life to do my part. Okay. All right. So once you got out, you told me a little bit before that your father or someone of family was always like, a carpenter.
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Right. So it was basically in your blood. You kind of grew up around it's, kind of a trade. So when you got out, walk me through that. Okay. You had to find a job. Okay. Probably. Have you ever worked before being incarcerated?
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I worked as a juvenile, as assistant lifeguard when I was a kid. That was the only job I ever had. Okay, and so when you end up getting a job in the carpentry field, how did that come about? So I was actually working for a warehouse and going through this nine week program for another organization in Chicago to try to help me find a job, get a career, and get my life back on track.
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I had a friend who was a gang member friend when we were back in the days growing up, and he had outgrown the stuff as well. Right. And he was a carpenter. And so he called me and said, hey, my company is looking for somebody right now.
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I'm not a union car. He's like, Get over here right now. So I went over there, they sponsored me. I went through the apprenticeship program, and I got into the carpenters union. Okay, cool. So that pretty much gave you all the experience and what led you to what you're doing right now full time?
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The second chance renovations. Right? Right. So I had this vision in jail as well. I wanted to help people like me. And when I got out of jail, it cemented that I was going to end up doing this. I looked for a job for.
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Like, four weeks and could not find a job. And, I mean, I was settling for minimum wage jobs and could not find a job. Right. So I went through a temp agency, and I started working through a temp agency, just knowing how hard it was.
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I knew in my heart I was going to start this company. Right. And so I went to carpenter school to learn aspects of my trade that I didn't know. And so I just broadened my skills. And then the biggest thing was, in 2013, I was working on my own house, and I fell off my roof, and I broke my back.
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And so for nine months, I was laid up in a hospital bed in my own house. Okay. And when I was working as a union carpenter, I had worked my way up from not knowing anyone, just work ethic, to a foreman.
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I was a foreman for a union carpenter shop. And when I went back to work, it just wasn't the same. I had lost my seniority. I wasn't working every day. I was sitting at home while people were just hired who were working.
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And so I had to make a really tough decision to take the money that I had in the bank and start my own company. Right? Yeah. Take that leap of faith. And so walk me through that. All right. Second Chance renovations you kind of forced into the situation, and a lot of times that happens to us, right.
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Situations put us in a particular but we like, okay, we got to make something out of nothing. So that's what you did with Second chance renovations. So how did you get your first contract? Because initially you were trained as a compressor, not as a general contractor.
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Correct. I know those are two different trades, if you will, skill sets. Correct. Right. And so I know you were making mistakes in the beginning because you're looking at it from a perspective of a carpenter.
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And so how did you get those bidding contracts to grow your company to where it is now? Yes. I'll tell you that the first year was extremely hard. It was very slow. Not a whole lot of business, but a whole lot of networking.
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Okay. So I was out there networking, putting our name out there and just letting people know who we are and what we're doing. And in year two, a lot of those relationships from year one started to see fruition.
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And just a lot of the jobs that we were doing, even the little jobs we were doing, we started getting a lot of traction. Word of mouth. People were speaking about our company. And year two, I'll tell you that from year two, this is year five and a half, and we have been working nonstop even throughout the winters.
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Wow. Okay. And it's profitable. Yeah. For the last three and a half years, it's been profitable. Yes. Okay. So pretty much you say it's a lucrative trade to get into general contract. What sets you apart?
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Because I've heard stories where it's not all that profitable. I wouldn't say it's very lucrative. Okay. I would say that if you know what you're doing, you can take care of your family, and you can start building what you're looking for.
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The thing is having reliable people, reliable people. And so I have run into a lot of issues with guys who are just not ready to make that full change. Because every one of your employees works directly with someone who's been through the same walk we've been through and trying to get to where we are, trying to get out of what they were in and trying to get on solid ground.
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And those are people who try to help. But some of these guys, they come in and say, yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Eight. And they're not ready. And my thing, I believe deep in my heart that there's a big hole in between these individuals coming out of jail, and some of them go through these programs and all this stuff, but they need a mentor.
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They need somebody to set them straight. They need somebody who's walked that walk and talk, that talk and smack them side of the head and pull their collar sometimes, because sometimes that life just looks so good, and we are struggling, trying to do the right thing.
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And people are pulling you, so you need somebody to pull you back. Right? So I believe there's a huge gap between these guys who come out of jail, and even though they go through these organizations, no one sticks with them.
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No one walks with them. No one walks with lives life with them. And that's the gap. That's the gap for the recidivism. Going back, going back, going back. Someone had that pulling them in that opposite direction, they think twice about it.
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Right. You know what I'm saying? No doubt. I got you. Also, what other benefits do you think for hiring someone who's a former incarcerator ex offender? I know I'm a hard worker, and I know I'm trying to outlive my past, and I'm trying to outlive my mistakes.
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And I know a lot of us who've been in these shoes, we think the same way because society won't let us outlive our mistakes. We have to go above and beyond to outlive our mistakes. So it's pretty much almost like you got a point to prove.
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They do. Yeah. And for the ones who are ready, sky's the limit. They dangerous, man. No, definitely. I can attest it. Dangerous. Yes, sir. I'm dangerous. Yes, sir. Definitely. Yeah. Okay. So when you bid on a contract or a piece of property or project, what are some of the things you're looking at where you're saying, okay, this is something that I can be profitable with and also be able to kind of get my name?
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Are there some projects you just kind of, like, turn it down? Like, no, I don't want to deal with that. I have turned down projects. But my price is my price. Okay? Right. And so I can do a lot of different things and to something that may be intimidating to somebody else, I'm not intimidated by it.
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Like what? Like a house that's falling apart where you can't even walk in this building. I'm not intimidated by it. I know exactly what to do with it, so I'll get in there and do it. Okay. But people are intimidated by it.
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But my price is my price have to be true to me and be true to my guys and not cheat us in the process. Okay? And so it took me a while to get the pricing down packed, to get pricing for square footage for whatever it is that we do.
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And so my price is my price, and I've learned that. But we do good work. We do solid work, and we can pass any inspection for the city of Chicago, and we can pull any permits you need done, and we'll take care of business.
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How big is your team right now? There's four of us. Okay. All right. And we're looking to grow, but it's winter right now, so work is a little kind of scarce, but I'm keeping me and three other guys busy right now.
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Okay. So walk me through that whole process of when you are pricing something. Like, you mentioned the square footage and a lot of things that most people won't even know from a general contractor's perspective, like, what am I looking at?
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Like, the numbers take me behind the numbers. So I price everything in square footage. Okay, so a 2000 square foot home. Right. But what are we doing? I'm pricing drywall in square footage. I'm pricing painting in square footage.
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I'm pricing flooring in square footage. Okay. Sidings. What about electricals? So, again, my electrical. So as a general con contractor, I can hire subcontractors. Okay. And so because I am not an electrician, I stay in my lane.
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So I'll hire a licensed contractor to come in and do their thing, and they'll give me their quote. But I've been in this long enough that I can understand when someone's trying to gouge me. And when someone's being on the up and up and I've dealt with enough people, I have a pretty decent team now that I deal with, and they're pretty honest people.
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Okay, that's good, because a lot of times, as you and I both know, contractors get a bad rep, and a lot of contractors are horrible, and they have no business doing this kind of work. Right. What should I look out for?
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I'm trying to get property renovated, and you just telling me about a property you did, and you told me the numbers behind it. And I think that if I would have had that property and the number you told me that it cost to renovate that place, I probably were like, man, you tripping.
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Right. However, you know those numbers right behind those numbers, when I'm in that place, when I want to get this piece of property done, what are some of the things I need to look for as relates to hiring the right kind of contractor?
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So the first thing you want to do is get three bids, okay? You want to get three quotes because you want to know that these people are in the ballpark. So if this guy is bidding something that's $20,000 over, you know, he's gouging you so he's out the question.
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Okay, so that's the first thing you want to get three quotes, okay? Right. And then you want to listen to the people who are talking to you and listen to what they're speaking about. What if you don't know anything and if they can make you understand what they're saying?
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Because a good contractor will explain to you what he's seeing, and you will understand what he's talking about. Okay? Got you. What are some of the cost cutting things that you're doing to kind of keep your costs down?
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Like, maybe I've heard where at a contractor buddy, they say he will purchase, say he has six or seven properties going at one time. He purchased pretty much all the same kind of material. The same color, flooring the same color.
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That way, if he needs something, he can always go to the warehouse and grab it. Is that a strategy that you utilize as well, or anything else? So you have a luxury to have a warehouse? Well, maybe not even warehouse.
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Just somewhere where you can kind of store it. It depends. I always anticipate what I'm doing. I work in, like, 30 day intervals. Okay. So I know what I'm doing for the next 30 days. Okay. And so, yeah, if something presents itself that I know I'm going to be using, I'll absolutely purchase it at that time.
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I have my favorite stores. I have my favorite designs. I design a lot of stuff I do on my own. Okay. You know what I mean? And that allows you to save money as well? Well, for sure. Because you get into a habit, you understand what you're using, what you're not using.
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You're able to buy in bulk certain things and use them on multiple job sites for sure. Okay. But there's also the paperwork behind general contract or just like renovation as well. Right. You have to get certain permits, and if you get caught without a permit and it could be issues for you, inspections and things of that nature.
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So what does that look like? Like going to get a permit. Like if I hire you as a renter to renovate a piece of property, or if I want to be a general contractor and I want to learn how to pull a permit, what are some of the techniques to kind of know that I'm doing the kind of right thing?
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So I would advise anybody who starts to hire an expediter. An expediter is somebody who knows exactly what to do downtown, where to go, who to speak to. And they're $300. In hindsight, that $300 is pennies on what you're going to spend with your time trying to track down where you need to go, what you need to do, who you need to talk to.
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Just pay them, get it done. If it's a brand new construction, you have to hire an architect, and he deals with the permit process. Okay, so do you ever deal with brand new properties? Yeah, all the time.
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New constructions, they call it. Right? For sure. Okay. Do you think that's more of. Better kind of a property to deal with opposed to complete gut rehab or was it pretty much the same? I think easier is a brand new property, okay.
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Everything started from the ground. Everything's from the ground. You're not undoing something somebody did wrong or something that somebody did, but it's outdated because it takes longer to undo it and redo it.
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Makes sense. Okay, so with your experience all over the city, you general contractor, so you get the opportunity to kind of see some up and coming areas. It's like, okay, maybe I need to invest in this myself.
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Right. So it kind of gives you a heads up, so to speak, would you say? Because you like boots on the ground, so you're seeing areas that's kind of up and coming? I do. Right. But I don't make my decisions based on only financial.
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Okay. I make my decisions based on areas I want to help. Okay. The focus of Second Chance renovations was to help people like me who are struggling to get things right, who are struggling to get into the door somewhere because of their background.
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Right. That was the purpose from day one. Exactly. Right. And so now the purpose is to help to help redo some of these areas that are so blighted and so bad. That's what we want to be. Okay. So I buy properties in Inglewood.
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Okay. So it's a two part kind of a thing. The community and also the people that you hire for sure also going to work in those same communities probably help destroy in one way or another. You are correct.
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I speak that to my guys all the time, and it's in my rules, it's in my bylaws that we will help rebuild the areas that we help destroy. That is a fact. Wow, that's pretty noble, man, to do that, because a lot of times people are only looking at the financial aspect of I don't necessarily guide me.
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I need to be profitable in order to not let my company be a hobby. Right. So I need to be profitable because I have a family to take care of as well. No doubt. Right. But it's not my. And all be all driving force.
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Okay. So if I Inglewood we know most of Inglewood is pretty rough, right? You got some parts where they're kind of rebuilding in the area. So let's say I purchased a property over there for $10,000, right.
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Would that be an accurate depiction? It depends on the size of the property, but yeah, it's possible. So somewhere around, let's say 20,000. Right. How much would I need to put in that piece of property to bring it up to standard of living?
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Like, say I want to get it rented out through Section Eight. As we know, they have a stringent kind of high standard. Exactly. Right. So how much would I need? It's a three bedroom, matter of fact. It's a two unit.
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It's a duplex. I actually bought one in Inglewood like that. Okay. I have a two flat in Inglewood, and I bought it when the housing market was on the ground. Okay. I paid $5,500 for it. I thought you were going to say $55,000.02 flat brick.
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Oh, wow. It was completely destroyed, though. Okay. Fire damage? No, not fire damage, but just it had been baking for eight years. Okay. I mean, it was falling apart. It was destroyed completely. Wow.
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I put $110,000 into it. Okay. And it's completely brand new. Okay. So was that worth it? It's worth 220. Definitely worth it. For sure. Right. So that gives you opportunities to do other things now. Right.
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But again, what I do is I fix the building and I put families in the building. Exactly. And then it helps the neighborhood. Right. Because the building is not vacant no more and these people are shopping in the neighborhood, right?
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Yeah, definitely. So from an equity standpoint right. So you have this potential equity in your piece of property. So that helps you get lines of credit because now you can expand your business now because you have an asset.
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Correct. Right. That's exactly what I'm trying to do. Correct. Exactly. Okay. Right. A lot of times, people, listeners, they want to know, like I say, the ins and outs of a particular business. Yeah.
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You want to be able to build as many assets as you can so that you can go to a bank and have something and say, hey, this is what I have and this is what I need. Right. If you have something that's worth taking because that's they're looking at, if he doesn't pay me, I'm going to take it.
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So if you have something that's worth taking, they'll talk to you. Yeah, you're right. And that's crazy though, right. That's the name of the game. As long as you're making your payment, you ain't got to worry about them taking.
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That's a fact at the end of the day. So what's next for second Chance renovation? Yeah, so I want to continue to grow. I would love to have a ten man crew. Right. I love to have 15 projects going on at the same time.
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But also I know that I'm a one man show as well. Right. So what I'm praying for is a lead man. I had a lead man for four and a half years. Three months ago, he had a heart attack. He can't work anymore.
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Okay. So I'm kind of in transition right now, but I need a lead man. I need somebody I can trust. It can help me guide the guys in the right way and teach them things and lead by example. So I'm praying for that right now.
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That's the first thing I need. I need a lead guy. Lead project manager. Yeah. Okay. Also, as far as, like, building a company through government programs and getting contracts with the city and things of that nature, is that a strategy that you use or you think that's appropriate strategy for any kind of of construction company to kind of do?
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Yeah, I think if you can do it, do it. I personally have not gone that route yet. Okay. I'm building. I'm building a brand. I'm building a company, and I'm trying to get the right people in place because at the end of the day right.
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You can have 1000 projects, but if you don't have the right people in place, going to tarnish a brand. Exactly. So my focus now is people getting the right people in place and doing good work and continually let people hear our name and say, yeah, you need somebody, and don't worry about who they are.
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These people do good work. Exactly. Honest. That's what we're looking for, man. So how do you find your employees? Through different organizations in Chicago. Okay. Not sure if I give them a shout out because I haven't spoken to them, but different organizations who work guys, returning citizens, they screen them, they put them through certain programs, and then we grab them from them and we continue what they've started.
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Right. Okay. That's dope, man. You're doing a lot of good work in the community. Not just employing, but also revitalizing the community as well. And I didn't honestly, I didn't think about it from that aspect.
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Right. You said second chance renovation. I'm just thinking about, okay, you're just hiring formerly incarcerated people, but actually the work that you're doing and then putting families in there and just like I say, revitalizing the whole neighborhood, especially over inglewood.
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That's definitely needed over there. It's not such a bad area, man. It got such a bad name, but it's really not such a bad area. People are afraid of it. It's a stigma, you know what I mean? Okay. But it's not really a bad area.
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I work there a lot. I've never had any issues with anyone who's ever treated me wrongly. Right. Okay, cool, man. Well, there you go, man. How can we find you second Chance Renovations? Www.secondchancerenovations.com.
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Okay. We have Facebook page. Okay. We have a Twitter account. All right. Instagram? No Instagram. And I'm not very versatile, that kind of stuff. My wife kind of runs a lot of that stuff. Okay. All right, cool, man.
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There you go, man. Second chance renovations. Not only rebuilding homes or rebuilding lives at the same time and communities as well. So I want to thank you all for listening. Check us out on Apple podcast stitcher iHeartRadio spotify.
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Review it. Review it, review it. Thank you all for tuning in. As we like to say here, opportunities over penitentiaries unlocking freedom. Aaron Smith. Take care. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you.
